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Teilka Darkmist
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Posted - 2014.01.31 07:49:00 -
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m twiggz wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:whats CCP going to do when they merge the Eve and Dust markets and all the dust players buy eve plex buy the dozens for free? and i mean free as in not playing the game at all and just collecting isk from locked pc districts.
wont that hurt CCP's bottom line? or is CCP going free to play lol?
what happens when CCP gives us all of New Eden's low and null sec systems for pc?
every player in New Eden could have a planet for themselves and generate isk for free and buy plex.
what about inflation? market prices will skyrocket lol There's already ways for Dust players/corps with Eve players to transfer ISK between games. Players offer this transition already and it hasn't hurt the price of Plex. Before they add more districts they need to overhaul PC completely. There will be a currency exchange rate between games much like countries in the real world. (Dev posted this a while back) Questions answered. /thread.
There's ways to transfer isk between games? How? Because my merc could do with a few more isk (got protostomped a few times last night and had to restock) and just a straight 'Give Money' from Eve doesn't work, the option's not there anymore in fact.
From what little I've heard, the player market and the eve/dust link are already mostly done with just a couple of kinks to work out. Things like how to buy things that are in a different system to the one you're in and how to be able to sell to another system considering mercs can't currently travel at will.
Personally, I think that eve and dust shouldn't have a conversion rate. The new eden in dust is the same as the new eden in eve, if 1isk in Gallente space (for example) equals 1 isk in Caldari space (no exchange rate between actual nations in game) it should be the same going from dust to eve and back. Or give dust it's own currency, maybe whatever the non-immortals use day to day in the empires. We know from lore that it's not isk. Call them credits maybe and give *that* an exchange rate.
As far as prices go, market forces will work that out. As the first step to linking the markets will be a hybrid of NPC and player sales CCP will get to set the upper price, any sensible capsuleer industrial type will realise that if they sell higher than the price CCP sets, the mercs will buy the CCP gear and they'll be out the cost of the materials to make everything. So they'll price lower. Later, CCP will pull out the NPC sales and the market will go fully player based (except for probably things like skill books) at which point the prices will find a level and stay roughly there depending on what the dust player base can afford and are willing to pay. If the rewards from playing dust aren't enough to be able to afford to buy equipment, CCP will have to raise the reward rate, by the time they pull the NPC gear, they'll have numbers which tell them how likely the price of merc gear is to go up or down, and roughly how much by looking at supply and demand for the items and they cost of materials to make them so it's not like overnight the prices will shoot up so high we can't afford it. Once again, industrial types aren't stupid, if most can't afford to pay, their stuff isn't going to sell.
Additionally, with the linking of the markets, dust players should be able to buy plex and convert them to isk, just as an eve player can. (Although I know that not all dust players will be financially able to do that so CCP shouldn't rely on that to say they don't need to balance rewards.)
When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
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Teilka Darkmist
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Posted - 2014.01.31 10:22:00 -
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m twiggz wrote:Teilka Darkmist wrote:m twiggz wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:-SNIP- ...There's already ways for Dust players/corps with Eve players to transfer ISK between games. Players offer this transition already and it hasn't hurt the price of Plex... ...There's ways to transfer isk between games? How? Because my merc could do with a few more isk (got protostomped a few times last night and had to restock) and just a straight 'Give Money' from Eve doesn't work, the option's not there anymore in fact... The only way to transfer ISK between games is through other players. There's a few people, including myself, who offer this exchange at what we believe to be a fair exchange rate. The two most known people for doing it are Kain Spero and Min Lo. You give 'X' amount of Dust ISK and receive 'X' amount of Eve ISK, or you give 'X' amount of Eve ISK and receive 'X' amount of Dust ISK. The median rate we all go by is; 600m Eve ISK buys 70m Dust ISK. 120m Dust ISK buys 600m Eve ISK. As you request lower amounts the ratio drops. This helps people Plex on Eve if they preferred to play Dust that month, or helps Eve players fund their Dust characters if they run out of ISK. Of course there's a lot of trust involved. When I was new to Eve I did this through Min Lo and it helped me out a lot. Now that I'm both Eve and Dust "wealthy" I offer my services out to mostly just friends. This is actually the first time I've posted it publicly.
I should have known something like this was happening, this is New Eden after all. I think that personally I'll stick to just playing the game, if I get too low on decent gear, I'll drop back to militia and build up isk that way.
When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
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Teilka Darkmist
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Posted - 2014.01.31 18:34:00 -
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Lonegnr wrote:Teilka Darkmist wrote:Personally, I think that eve and dust shouldn't have a conversion rate. The new eden in dust is the same as the new eden in eve, if 1isk in Gallente space (for example) equals 1 isk in Caldari space (no exchange rate between actual nations in game) it should be the same going from dust to eve and back. Or give dust it's own currency, maybe whatever the non-immortals use day to day in the empires. We know from lore that it's not isk. Call them credits maybe and give *that* an exchange rate. Previous poster was correct that devs have already mentioned planning a conversion rate. It would be silly if they made it easy to buy a ~$20 PLEX and turn it into 600+ mil for dust since it seriously cripples the demand for Aurum. Giving Dust it's own currency isn't a bad idea, but it still implements a conversion rate.
Personally I think that the fact that Aurum's only really good for boosters is what cripples the demand for aurum. Proto Isk gear is better, at least in terms of CPU and PG than the equivalent Proto Aurum gear. I know that as I skill into more proto gear, I'll be ditching the Aur stuff for Isk stuff.
Personally I think that the market, when it gets past the hybrid stage it will have to start at, will deal with any problems with selling plex in eve and transfferring 600m+ isk to Dust, plus what's the point in doing that too much? Sure it lets you buy loads of gear, but you'll still have the same slots and stats. Having a lot of everything won't make a huge difference. I don't know about anyone else, but I make sure before I go into the battlefinder, that I have enough of each fit that I can comfortably switch between them at any point and still have plenty left over. Then I only replace what I use, and occasionally play around with modules and suits to see if I can come up with something better, but for that I buy maybe 5 of whatever I don't have already to test with, then I have enough so I can be sure of a thorough test and if I don't like the fit, I haven't spend too much on the experiment.
I realise that Dust having it's own currency would implement an exchange rate, that was my whole point basically. In New Eden, an isk should be worth the same wherever you are. It doesn't make sense that an isk in space around a planet isn't worth an isk on the ground on that planet. An alternative currency for none capsuleers is already part of the lore (although I can't remember what it was called.) Isk were supposedly worth so much because it was used by the major companies and governments for interstellar trade on a scale that individuals would only very rarely be at. Capsuleers came along and started using isk because they're buying highly expensive ships and ship parts with it. Dust merc equipment may be expensive for an average working mortal, but it's not on the same scale as even a frigate.
When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
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